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. >> like the fiscal cliff negotiations with the jets right there. sanchez had his best game of the season in week one against the bills. he threw for three touchdowns. the jets won back then. >>> to the nba, where the nets gave avery johnson his walking papers yesterday. they fired him after 2 1/2 years with the team. the nets who had high expectations because of a new arena, have slumped badly over the past month. they're 14-14 right now. sitting in seventh place right now in the eastern conference standings. yesterday, johnson addressed the call to let him go. >> you're a .500 team, two more home games at home that something like this would happen. this is ownership's decision. this is what we sign up for, i talked to you about this a couple of days ago, this is part of our business, fair or unfair, it doesn't matter. >> the nets assistant p.j. carlesimo will become the interim head coach. espn reports that phil jackson is the top target as the replacement. jackson's agent told him that he has no interest in coaching the nets. >>> coming up on mor
. >> like the fiscal cliff negotiations with the jets right there. sanchez had his best game of the season in week one against the bills. he threw for three touchdowns. the jets won back then. >>> to the nba, where the nets gave avery johnson his walking papers yesterday. they fired him after 2 1/2 years with the team. the nets who had high expectations because of a new arena, have slumped badly over the past month. they're 14-14 right now. sitting in seventh place right now in...
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but right now make no mistake about it, the fiscal cliff doubts in getting to january 1 without some kind of even a patchwork deal is what's driving the markets right now in negative territory. >> as we know, it's not a cliff, it's really a slope or series of steps as you're falling down them should a deal not come to pass here. is the drop that we've seen so far after plan b's failure, will we see yet more of the market reacting, a slow degradation of market performance? >> that depends on essentially if, for instance, a week from monday right now we're sitting here and it's almost a certainty that we're going to go over the cliff. i would argue that we could get more back to a cliff rather than slope analogy because it comes down to how swiftly does the market react in a negative way and how swiftly is the fallout on the overall u.s. economy. for example, we're getting reports from around the country that, number one, retailers have lowered their forecast on what the christmas shopping season is going to look like. we're hearing that one of our reporters who is out at a mall today
but right now make no mistake about it, the fiscal cliff doubts in getting to january 1 without some kind of even a patchwork deal is what's driving the markets right now in negative territory. >> as we know, it's not a cliff, it's really a slope or series of steps as you're falling down them should a deal not come to pass here. is the drop that we've seen so far after plan b's failure, will we see yet more of the market reacting, a slow degradation of market performance? >> that...
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congress is expected to come back later this week as america gets closer to the fiscal cliff. some larrymakers are now calling for a small scale deal as a temporary fix. >> i think it's impossible to get any kind of grand bargain or comprehensive package. i think we're dealing right now with whether or not we can put off the increases in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with right now. >> the house will stand in recess subject to the call of the chair. >> reporter: congress recessed after republicans rejected john boehner's compromise. he proposed letting tax cuts expire for those making over $1 million a year. other republicans say it's time for a deal. >> i agree with him. i don't think we ought to increase taxes on anyone. however, we're now at a point where we're not going to get what we think is right for our economy and our country. >> with congress coming back, the president will also reportedly cut short his holiday vacation in hawaii. democrats hope mr. obama will continue to fight for a complete agreement, not just a temporary patch. >> i definitely hope that
congress is expected to come back later this week as america gets closer to the fiscal cliff. some larrymakers are now calling for a small scale deal as a temporary fix. >> i think it's impossible to get any kind of grand bargain or comprehensive package. i think we're dealing right now with whether or not we can put off the increases in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with right now. >> the house will stand in recess subject to the call of the chair. >> reporter:...
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we should be right here with four days to go before the fiscal cliff strikes. >> all right. always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> good to be with you. >>> major break today in negotiations between dock workers and port operators puts off at least for now a port strike that would have shut down nearly all shipping traffic along the east and gulf coast. a federal mediator says that the union and group representing the shipping lines agreed to a 30-day contract extension narrowly averting the sunday strike deadline. business groups warn that the economic impact of such a work stoppage is disaster. joining me is nbc's ron mott. for folks not following the story, how did we get here? >> reporter: folks haven't because they're paying attention to the fiscal cliff. this was lurking in the shadows and today moved the ball down the field for 30 days and may be talking about a strike again in 30 days but the big issue here was this so-called container royalty that the shipping companies pay to the union members who actually the guys and men and women offloading the big ships and the c
we should be right here with four days to go before the fiscal cliff strikes. >> all right. always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> good to be with you. >>> major break today in negotiations between dock workers and port operators puts off at least for now a port strike that would have shut down nearly all shipping traffic along the east and gulf coast. a federal mediator says that the union and group representing the shipping lines agreed to a 30-day contract extension...
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disability treaty right in front of bob dole. this fiscal cliff, three budget standoffs. i mean, this congress has been uniquely atrocious. >> tom? >> the fact is the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerrymandered districts in which they are bulletproof. they only play to one constituency. there are no swing states. they don't go home and have a case because they've got a choir back home. and that's a huge part of the problem here. there's another reality in this town today. we need a lighter moment here. a lot of folks as i was coming into the office today said they have to get it done by kickoff time tonight. >> that's right. >> it's a good thing nbc moved the kickoff to primetime. it's very important. >> arguably, the redskins could clinch today. i think it's also important to go back to the president's argument, that, you know, you have to be able to say yes to something that's reasonable. charles krauthammer and other conservatives argued that he's effectively exposed big internal divisions in the republican party that they have yet to work out, whi
disability treaty right in front of bob dole. this fiscal cliff, three budget standoffs. i mean, this congress has been uniquely atrocious. >> tom? >> the fact is the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerrymandered districts in which they are bulletproof. they only play to one constituency. there are no swing states. they don't go home and have a case because they've got a choir back home. and that's a huge part of the problem here. there's another reality in this...
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could be all the way to tuesday. >> right. we are going to be talking about fiscal cliff. where are we? where are we going? what things can we believe that are coming out from capitol hill? what qunt we believe? >> today, we have the fake plan apparently senate republicans had and white house denying. this is -- ugh. interesting. >> what about the white house supposedly sending its own boiled down fiscal cliff bill to the hill? what's going on with that? you've got harry reid's incendiary comments on the floor today. >> it feels like we're at the beginning of the beginning of the end. >> right. i'll be back tomorrow to talk about it. >> jonathan capehart, thanks so much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." craig melvin has a look at what's next. the pride of south carolina. craig, how are you doing, snir. >> good to see you as always. five days to go until the fiscal cliff deadline. john boehner holding a press conference. what might they be talking about? president obama returned to washington today after speaking with all four congressional leader
could be all the way to tuesday. >> right. we are going to be talking about fiscal cliff. where are we? where are we going? what things can we believe that are coming out from capitol hill? what qunt we believe? >> today, we have the fake plan apparently senate republicans had and white house denying. this is -- ugh. interesting. >> what about the white house supposedly sending its own boiled down fiscal cliff bill to the hill? what's going on with that? you've got harry...
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fiscal cliff. got less than three days to go now, folks. at the same time in his weekly address today, the president says he's preparing a plan of action if no deal is reached. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up or down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job, and lays the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> republicans say they want a deal as well, but they highlighted their biggest sticking points today in their weekly address. listen now to missouri senator roy blount. >> senate democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand. the president's proposal to raise tax on the top 2% of americans won't even pay one-third of the annual interest that's now owed on this massive $16 trillion debt. in fact, the president's tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. >> the senate i
fiscal cliff. got less than three days to go now, folks. at the same time in his weekly address today, the president says he's preparing a plan of action if no deal is reached. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up or down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job, and lays the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and...
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and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left-wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today. if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone where they, they can't even accept what used to be considered centrist mainstream positions on these issues. now i remain optimistic, i'm just a congenital optimist, that eventually people kind of see the light. winston churchill used to say that we americans, we try every other option before we finally do the right thing. after everything else is exhausted, we eventually do the right thing. and i think that that's true for congress as well. and i think it's also important for americans to remember that politic has always been mes
and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left-wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today. if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of you...
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and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now on the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. you know, i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of, you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone where they can't even accept what used to be considered centrist mainstream positions on these issues. now i remain optimistic. you know, i'm just a general optomist, that eventually people kind of see the light. you know, winston churchill used to say that we americans, you know, we try every other option before we finally do the right thing. after everything else is exhausted, we eventually do the right thing. and i think that that's true for congress as well. and i think it's also important for americans to remember t
and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now on the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. you know, i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication...
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if not for the so-called fiscal cliff debate they're trying to strike a deal on. that would be also on other legislation that would come up with 113th congress. democrats want to ensure they have 55 votes when the 113th congress begins on january 3rd. >> senior political editor mark murray for us on this thursday, appreciate it, sir. >> thank you, craig. >>> outrage of russian president vladimir putin's decision to sign a bill to block americans from adopting russian children and a video of a squarm bursting in a shopping mall. details on that story around the "news nation." [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and save you up to thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket costs. call today to request a free decision guide to help you better unde
if not for the so-called fiscal cliff debate they're trying to strike a deal on. that would be also on other legislation that would come up with 113th congress. democrats want to ensure they have 55 votes when the 113th congress begins on january 3rd. >> senior political editor mark murray for us on this thursday, appreciate it, sir. >> thank you, craig. >>> outrage of russian president vladimir putin's decision to sign a bill to block americans from adopting russian...
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>>> still no signs of a deal in the senate right now on how to avert the fiscal cliff. let's bring back the senior editor of "the new republic" and author of "the escape artists, how obama's team fumbled the recovery" and ed o'keefe congressional reporter for the "washington post." thanks to both of you for coming back here. ed, do you think the deal is dead right now? >> no, by no means. as we understand it, negotiations are continuing. right now both parties in the senate are meeting behind closed doors to discuss what was going on and what they may or may not be able to agree to as you've reported throughout the hour. mitch mcconnell has reached out to vice president biden, two experienced legislative hands who have worked together on these types of deals before. if anyone at this late hour could get a deal done it would likely be these two. keep in mind, no matter what deal is crafted on in the senate, voted on tonight and tomorrow morning it still has to get passed here in the house where i'm standing right now. we were talking to tom cole a little while ago on the
>>> still no signs of a deal in the senate right now on how to avert the fiscal cliff. let's bring back the senior editor of "the new republic" and author of "the escape artists, how obama's team fumbled the recovery" and ed o'keefe congressional reporter for the "washington post." thanks to both of you for coming back here. ed, do you think the deal is dead right now? >> no, by no means. as we understand it, negotiations are continuing. right now...
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about the looming fiscal cliff. >> i'm not sure what's next. i can tell you, the senate's here, we're in session, we had votes tonight. the president is here. i'm the eternal optimist. we can pass the farm bill that we passed last june. by cutting subsidies for wealthy farmers. so, there's a lot of things that we can do but it's going to take the speaker deciding that he wants to work across the aisle to get it done. >> you can catch the rachel maddow show right here on msbnc on 9:00. >>> retired four-star general norman schwarzkopf died thursday at his home in tampa, florida. he was 78. the hard-charging general, was most famous for leading coalition forces to victory during the first persian gulf war in 1991. under his command it took troops just six weeks to drive saddam hussein's army out of kuwait. gener schwarzkopf is survived by his wife brenda and their three children. >>> former president george h.w. bush are main street in intensive care this morning. while mr. bush's condition is serious, in an e-mail, a spokesperson said for the fam
about the looming fiscal cliff. >> i'm not sure what's next. i can tell you, the senate's here, we're in session, we had votes tonight. the president is here. i'm the eternal optimist. we can pass the farm bill that we passed last june. by cutting subsidies for wealthy farmers. so, there's a lot of things that we can do but it's going to take the speaker deciding that he wants to work across the aisle to get it done. >> you can catch the rachel maddow show right here on msbnc on...
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i don't think the fiscal cliff problem hit social security or medicare right away. they kind of sealed that off from se questions ration. but you mentioned unemployment before. there are a variety of other government programs that will be drastically cut back on tuesday morning if we don't get some kind of a deal by monday night. >> you know, ryan, when you look at -- when clarence was talking,ives looking and i think i have it. bills that republicans and congress have blocked this year. a bill that would have increased the minimum wage, a buffet rule bill, the employment, nondis crimination act that would have prohibited hiring people on the basis of sexual orientation. a u.n. treaty to protect the rights of disabled people around the world and the paycheck famous act so that women don't get paid less than men for doing the same job. i mean, there's been a variety of bills that they have seen not go past. they have actually stopped in a variety of ways that would have helped the american people. >> yeah, and you can throw the violence against women act, reauthoriza
i don't think the fiscal cliff problem hit social security or medicare right away. they kind of sealed that off from se questions ration. but you mentioned unemployment before. there are a variety of other government programs that will be drastically cut back on tuesday morning if we don't get some kind of a deal by monday night. >> you know, ryan, when you look at -- when clarence was talking,ives looking and i think i have it. bills that republicans and congress have blocked this year....
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and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now on the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. you know, i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of, you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone where they can't even accept what used to be considered centrist mainstream positions on these issues. now i remain optimistic. you know, i'm just a general optimist, that eventually people kind of see the light. you know, winston churchill used to say that we americans, you know, we try every other option before we finally do the right thing. after everything else is exhausted, we eventually do the right thing. and i think that that's true for congress as well. and i think it's also important for americans to remember t
and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now on the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. you know, i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication...
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they had really nothing to say in the so-called fiscal cliff crisis. all right. we'll be back for picks of person of the year, biggest winners, biggest losers. stay with us. >>> welcome back to "the last word," holiday party. it is now time for the person of the year award. who is the person of the year? >> i was thinking it is a night for celebration, but it is also a night to honor people. and for me, when you look at 2012, it would be congresswoman gabrielle giffords, she resigned this year after a heroic battle dealing with the gunshot wounds that she experienced. we obviously keep her in our thoughts and our prayers. but she was also a leader, and believed in public policy. and we're going to have to look as we go forward into the next year over how we deal with this enduring problem of gun violence in our country. >> joy reed, your person of the year? >> i picked for the person of the year, the american voter. >> it does sound corny. >> it is corny, you know, the reason i said it -- >> you said a group, you didn't say the country. >> it is a group. >> it is
they had really nothing to say in the so-called fiscal cliff crisis. all right. we'll be back for picks of person of the year, biggest winners, biggest losers. stay with us. >>> welcome back to "the last word," holiday party. it is now time for the person of the year award. who is the person of the year? >> i was thinking it is a night for celebration, but it is also a night to honor people. and for me, when you look at 2012, it would be congresswoman gabrielle...
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they had really nothing to say in the so-called fiscal cliff crisis. all right, the biggest winners and losers, stay with us welcome to chevy's year-end event. so, the 5.3-liter v8 silverado can tow up to 9,600 pounds? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer-power? [ laughs ] [ pencil scratches ] [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. now through january 2nd, no monthly payments until spring for qualified buyers. get the silverado for 0% apr financing for 60 months plus $1,000 holiday bonus cash. plus trade up for an additional $1,000 trade-in allowance. so we created the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number experience. a collection of innovations designed around a bed with dualair technology that allows you to adjust to the support your body needs - each of your bodies. our sleep professionals will help you find your sleep number setting. exclusively at a sleep number store. comfort individualized. save 50% on the final closeout of our silver limited edition bed plus special financing through new years day. [ sniffs ] i took dayquil but my nose i
they had really nothing to say in the so-called fiscal cliff crisis. all right, the biggest winners and losers, stay with us welcome to chevy's year-end event. so, the 5.3-liter v8 silverado can tow up to 9,600 pounds? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer-power? [ laughs ] [ pencil scratches ] [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. now through january 2nd, no monthly payments until spring for qualified buyers. get the silverado for 0% apr financing for 60 months plus $1,000 holiday bonus...
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they had really nothing to say in the so-called fiscal cliff crisis. all right, the biggest winners and losers, stay with us . [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people w
they had really nothing to say in the so-called fiscal cliff crisis. all right, the biggest winners and losers, stay with us . [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online....
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re-election and now they are pushing to 2013, after the fiscal cliff hits and taxes go up and they get blamed. it is an odd way i to negotiate. to get one republican view on what will come next. earlier this evening, i had the privilege of speaking with tom coburn of oklahoma. >> thank you for being with us tonight. >> glad to be here ezra. >> the deal is dead, we are down to a small deal, a mini deal or going over the cliff straight, what is your reaction to this? >> i'm not sure it's true. just talking to my colleagues in the senate, i think the middle ground is well known by everyone and i think you could get something that is viewed by the rating agencies and the american public as a pretty good solution. so i think it's possible, i don't know that it will happen. it's unfortunate that we are waiting until this late in the hour to try to accomplish something. >> so then, what do you see as the middle ground, i know you are a member of the gang of 8. >> when you talk to colleagues what do they see as what can be salvaged here? >> let me answer the first part of that. none of us want
re-election and now they are pushing to 2013, after the fiscal cliff hits and taxes go up and they get blamed. it is an odd way i to negotiate. to get one republican view on what will come next. earlier this evening, i had the privilege of speaking with tom coburn of oklahoma. >> thank you for being with us tonight. >> glad to be here ezra. >> the deal is dead, we are down to a small deal, a mini deal or going over the cliff straight, what is your reaction to this? >>...
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right now, negotiations are under way to avoid the fiscal cliff. leaders are scrambling for a last minute deal. we have 35 hours and counting. here is more of president obama talking about the overall situation. >> what congress needs to do is to prevent taxes from going up for the vast majority of americans. and this was a major topic of discussion throughout the campaign. what i said was that we should keep taxes where they were for 98% of americans, 97% of small businesses. but, if we are serious about deficit reduction, make sure the wealthy are paying more and combine it with spending cuts and put the economy on a long term trajectory of growth. over the next 48 hours, my hope is people recognize that regardless of partisan differences, our priority has to be to make sure taxes on middle class families do not go up. that would hurt our economy badly. at a certain point, it is very important for republicans in congress to say we understand we are not going to get 100%. we are willing to compromise in a serious way to solve problems. >> give you
right now, negotiations are under way to avoid the fiscal cliff. leaders are scrambling for a last minute deal. we have 35 hours and counting. here is more of president obama talking about the overall situation. >> what congress needs to do is to prevent taxes from going up for the vast majority of americans. and this was a major topic of discussion throughout the campaign. what i said was that we should keep taxes where they were for 98% of americans, 97% of small businesses. but, if we...
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had won re-election, and now they're pushing to 13, after the fiscal cliff hits and they get blamed. it is an odd way to negotiate. to get one republican view on what will come next year, early this evening, shortly after the president's press conference, i had the privilege to speaking to republican senator tom coburn of oklahoma. senator, thank you so much for being here tonight. >> glad to be with you, ezra. >> it so seems to me the news of the day is the big deal is dead, completely dead, and we are down to either a small down, a mini deal, or going after the cliff straight. what is your reaction to this? >> i don't -- you know, i'm not sure that's true. just talking to my colleagues in the senate, i think the middle ground is pretty well known by everybody, and i think you could still get something that would be viewed by the ratings agencies as well as the american public as a pretty good solution. so i think it's possible. i don't know that that will happen. it's unfortunate that we're waiting until this late in the hour to try to accomplish something. >> so, then, what do you
had won re-election, and now they're pushing to 13, after the fiscal cliff hits and they get blamed. it is an odd way to negotiate. to get one republican view on what will come next year, early this evening, shortly after the president's press conference, i had the privilege to speaking to republican senator tom coburn of oklahoma. senator, thank you so much for being here tonight. >> glad to be with you, ezra. >> it so seems to me the news of the day is the big deal is dead,...
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from the fiscal cliff. >>> former president george h.w. bush in intentive care. we'll have the latest on that. >>> a vigil for firefighters, a tornado in action and december surfing in the great lakes. good morning. i'm mara schiavocampo. a powerful winter storm that brought an odd mix of tornadoes, heavy winds and snow to the nation's midsection is now wreaking havoc on the northeast. snow and sleet have produced treacherous road conditions from pennsylvania and western new york to maine with more than a foot of snow expected in some areas. this storm so far being blamed for at least six deaths. and as nbc's kurt gregory reports, the storm is creating a post holiday travel nightmare. >> reporter: cleanup on the day after christmas for the deep south. a record of more than 20 tornadoes as a massive storm system ripped through mississippi and alabama and left arkansas with a record-breaking white christmas. that storm system continued its march across the center of the nation wednesday, leaving a near whiteout from detroit -- >> not used to
from the fiscal cliff. >>> former president george h.w. bush in intentive care. we'll have the latest on that. >>> a vigil for firefighters, a tornado in action and december surfing in the great lakes. good morning. i'm mara schiavocampo. a powerful winter storm that brought an odd mix of tornadoes, heavy winds and snow to the nation's midsection is now wreaking havoc on the northeast. snow and sleet have produced treacherous road conditions from pennsylvania and western new...
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it doesn't take that much work, we just have to do the right thing. >> six days away from the fiscal cliff and there are real consequences to millions of americans if no deal is cut. congressman elijah cummings and ryan grim of the huffington post are here with the latest. a tea party giant stages a coupe with his own office. the details on dick armey's hostile takeover. the nra is catching heat from all directions. >> i don't think the nra is listening, i don't think they understand. >> georgetown university law professor, david cole on the growing drumbeat against the nra. >>> six days until the price of milk shoots up to $8 a gallon. why house republicans are take ing america to the dairy cliff. >>> and civil liberty groups take on torture in zero dark thirty. >>> if no deal is reached, the nation will go over the fiscal cliff in a little more than five days and house republicans are doing nothing more than posturing. president obama is flying back to washington tonight from his christmas vacation in hawaii to make one last attempt to get a deal before midnight new year's eve. the
it doesn't take that much work, we just have to do the right thing. >> six days away from the fiscal cliff and there are real consequences to millions of americans if no deal is cut. congressman elijah cummings and ryan grim of the huffington post are here with the latest. a tea party giant stages a coupe with his own office. the details on dick armey's hostile takeover. the nra is catching heat from all directions. >> i don't think the nra is listening, i don't think they...
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so tell us, what can the average person do to sort of thwart against the realities of the fiscal cliff? >> my first tip is just relax. it's not going to be armageddon right off the bat. i mean, it is worth pointing out we hear the humongous figures like $500 billion in tax increases and stuff like that. most of those will not affect people until it's time to fill out the tax returns and won't happen until 2014. say the tax rates go up, the government is not going to automatically withhold more money from the paycheck and the tax rates can be in effect for most of the year. we hope they're not but congress could rescind them toward the end of the year and one thing to affect you is the payroll tax cut, two percentage points and spoebed to be temporary anyway. >> rick, one of the suggestions that you have, turn off the tv until congress reaches a deal. the media will find little else to talk about. the endless chatter creates the mistaken impression that the country is going down the drain. >> turn off all the other channels is what i meant. >> you leave the impression we're fearmongerin
so tell us, what can the average person do to sort of thwart against the realities of the fiscal cliff? >> my first tip is just relax. it's not going to be armageddon right off the bat. i mean, it is worth pointing out we hear the humongous figures like $500 billion in tax increases and stuff like that. most of those will not affect people until it's time to fill out the tax returns and won't happen until 2014. say the tax rates go up, the government is not going to automatically withhold...
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last-ditch effort to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. >> getting a little more optimistic today. there's sometimes darkest before the dawn. >> right now we are at a stalemate because we haven't been willing to -- democrats haven't been willing to consider the issue of spend. >> there's some signs of possible flexibility but first of all, it would be helpful if the house of representatives came back. >> like it was a harvard law review just to show who is the smartest person in the room. we don't need the smartest person in the room. we immediate somebody to say all right, america, we need to deal with revenues. that's the bad news. we immediate to deal with the medicare fiscal cliff or you are not going on get your medical bills paid. >> remembering an american original. >> iraqis are dumb muff to attack her going to pay a terrible price. >> nicknamed stormin' norman for his ledgendary temper. he died thursday due to complications from pneumonia. >>> it is a year comes to a close, we look back at the amr moments that left us starstruck and speechless in 2012. >>> good day. i'm lu
last-ditch effort to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. >> getting a little more optimistic today. there's sometimes darkest before the dawn. >> right now we are at a stalemate because we haven't been willing to -- democrats haven't been willing to consider the issue of spend. >> there's some signs of possible flexibility but first of all, it would be helpful if the house of representatives came back. >> like it was a harvard law review just to show who is the smartest...
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50s on the fiscal cliff. they don't want to give up things. they don't want to give up cuts to medicare or social security in order to get a deal that may not be best for them. if you look at game theory, you know, economic and political game theory, if all the players understand the strategies of the other players and act rationally, sometimes they won't move off the strategy that they are on. >> should americans have optimist about this 3:00 meeting this afternoon at the white house or basically it's humpty-dumpty, we're going off the wall, we're going to break, but we can be put back together. >> it doesn't mean they won't get an agreement on the phone, but i don't remember any high-plo file white house meeting producing anything other than leaked stories about how one leader told the other leader how tough he is and how weak the other guy is. these are, generally speaking made for optics, so we talk about it. >>> jonathan allen, great to see you, thank for your time. >> my pleasure. >>> we talked in the l
50s on the fiscal cliff. they don't want to give up things. they don't want to give up cuts to medicare or social security in order to get a deal that may not be best for them. if you look at game theory, you know, economic and political game theory, if all the players understand the strategies of the other players and act rationally, sometimes they won't move off the strategy that they are on. >> should americans have optimist about this 3:00 meeting this afternoon at the white house or...
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. >> it's just not right. it's just insanity. insanity. >> reporter: on capitol hill lawmakers address how to address this issue as they face another problem, another stalemate in fiscal cliff negotiations. >> our republican colleagues by refusing to go along with revenues are risking the fiscal cliff. >> i think we're going to fall out of the fiscal tree. >> reporter: confidence at a minimum. lawmakers return from their holiday recess on thursday and when they do, they will have their work cut out for them. i'm danielle leigh. veronica. back to you. >> thank you so much. >>> the pentagon says the commanding officer of s.e.a.l. team 4 has died. joe w. price died saturday of what u.s. military officials are calling a non-combat related injury. they tell nbc news his death death is being investigated as a possible suicide. s.e.a.l. team 4 was part of a mission to train local afghan police to combat the taliban. >>> in the meantime, what's being called a possible insider attack, a civilian american advisor was killed by a woman wear
. >> it's just not right. it's just insanity. insanity. >> reporter: on capitol hill lawmakers address how to address this issue as they face another problem, another stalemate in fiscal cliff negotiations. >> our republican colleagues by refusing to go along with revenues are risking the fiscal cliff. >> i think we're going to fall out of the fiscal tree. >> reporter: confidence at a minimum. lawmakers return from their holiday recess on thursday and when they do,...
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we will have the late on the fiscal cliff negotiations coming up in just a few minutes, but right now it's time to take a visit to the political playground. president obama may reside at the white house, but he hasn't forgotten about his home state of illinois. he is backing a bill set to be introduced in january that would legalize gay marriage in illinois. if passed that state would be the first midwestern state to approve marriage equality via a legislative vote. for now it looks like the nra and wayne lapierre have not been invited by vice president biden to talk about ways to reduce gun violence. according to the nra's president david keene there's been no contact from the white house to include them in this process. piers morgan has penned an op-ed for those who want to see him deported for his views on gun control saying although i love the country as a second home and one that has treated me incredibly well, i would as a concerned parent first seriously consider deporting myself. and actor charlie sheen is at it again, but this time he has company. on saturday sheen sent out t
we will have the late on the fiscal cliff negotiations coming up in just a few minutes, but right now it's time to take a visit to the political playground. president obama may reside at the white house, but he hasn't forgotten about his home state of illinois. he is backing a bill set to be introduced in january that would legalize gay marriage in illinois. if passed that state would be the first midwestern state to approve marriage equality via a legislative vote. for now it looks like the...
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. >>> coming up, it's not just the fiscal cliff. the president has a lot to do and not a lot of time to do it. stay with us. >> the president goes off 18 hours on the golf course, 20 hours in the air. how do you view this politically? >> he's been using this, and i must say with great skill and ruthless skill and success to fracture and basically shatter the republican opposition. we're all having such a great year in the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. 'cause all our states are great. and now is when the gulf gets even better. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride or just lay in the sun. enjoy the wildlife and natural beauty. and don't forget our amazing seafood. so come to the gulf, you'll have a great time. especially in alabama. you mean mississippi. that's florida. say louisiana or there's no dessert. brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home. c'mon, michael! get in the game! [ male announcer ] don't have the hops for hoops with your buddies? lost your appetite for rom
. >>> coming up, it's not just the fiscal cliff. the president has a lot to do and not a lot of time to do it. stay with us. >> the president goes off 18 hours on the golf course, 20 hours in the air. how do you view this politically? >> he's been using this, and i must say with great skill and ruthless skill and success to fracture and basically shatter the republican opposition. we're all having such a great year in the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. 'cause...
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could very well allow us to go off the fiscal cliff. a few weeks into january they decide to take the vote on lowering taxes. lowering the race so they can say you know what, we voted to lower taxes. >> that's something that has been talked about. a lot of people were concerned they wanted to go over the fiscal cliff. they wouldn't have to go for a tax increase. then however it becomes no longer extending the bush tax cuts, but the obama tax cuts. president obama is associated with cutting taxes. there is political liability for them as well. the reality is they have to get off of this no tax increase nonsense. i read in the "new york times" the other day, no republican member of congress voted for it since 1990. do you believe that? we had two or three wars since that time? a tragedy at 9/11 and we had hurricane sandy. we had hurricane katrina and despite all of these, they are unwilling to raise them to support and fund our government. what does it say about the dysfunctionality? >> we will have to leave it there. happy holidays to yo
could very well allow us to go off the fiscal cliff. a few weeks into january they decide to take the vote on lowering taxes. lowering the race so they can say you know what, we voted to lower taxes. >> that's something that has been talked about. a lot of people were concerned they wanted to go over the fiscal cliff. they wouldn't have to go for a tax increase. then however it becomes no longer extending the bush tax cuts, but the obama tax cuts. president obama is associated with...
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to happen over the course of several days and can they avert the fiscal cliff? to stick with your metaphor of basketball, if rose were to go the length of the court for fans on one side, left to right, fans on other side, right to left, if he scores it is the same basket but use the metaphor and apply it to the conversation of exactly where these tax cuts could take place if they happened after january 1st. the republicans want to vote to lower taxes. okay? see them go right to left as it were. the democrats want to see them go down and the republicans it appears increasingly clear are not going to vote to change the figure below the $1 million mark that boehner didn't get past the caucus unless they say to their people at home, they voted to lower taxes on all americans. >> peter, that was extraordinary. >> reporter: i tried. >> one of the best on this show. thank you! >> we have also got mike viqueira. mike? a lot of people and myself included believe that the payroll tax cut is the most damaging part of this for the middle class. if we do not extend it $125 b
to happen over the course of several days and can they avert the fiscal cliff? to stick with your metaphor of basketball, if rose were to go the length of the court for fans on one side, left to right, fans on other side, right to left, if he scores it is the same basket but use the metaphor and apply it to the conversation of exactly where these tax cuts could take place if they happened after january 1st. the republicans want to vote to lower taxes. okay? see them go right to left as it were....
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ben bernanke gave this situation the name fiscal cliff which sounds very dramatic and very scary. but what it is is an act of congress that they actually voted for. 174 republicans voted for this law that would then take effect on january 1st with all these spending cuts in it, and democrats -- 95 democrats in the house voted for it, 74 votes for it in the united states senate, and now congress is afraid of actually going through something that it voted for to occur on january 1st because it all feels too dramatic to them. and so there's something very peculiar. the crisis that congress is facing is can they undo something that they voted for, and can they undo it by new year's eve? >> it's irony and paradox upon irony. remember the reason the fiscal cliff is supposed to be so dangerous and the reason why so many people in washington are worried about the fiscal cliff is it's too much deficit reduction too fast. so all of this takes place against a debate about how to reduce the budget deficit. that's why you get into this theater of the absurd. >> well, and look at the tape you s
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. >>> with little more than four days until the fiscal cliff, we now know that all the relevant parties will be in washington in three days. that's right. three days from now. on sunday evening before the redskins beat the cowboys. the house will finally reconvene. why? is it to finally strike a deal? honestly, no one knows. but one thing is certain. house speaker john boehner and his fellow republicans could no longer weather the incredibly bad optics of sitting at home while the president of the united states and the senate were in washington. president obama arrived back at the white house this morning. the president will host a meeting tomorrow afternoon with senate majority leader reid, senate minority leader mcconnell, speaker boehner, and leader pelosi at the white house. senate majority leader harry reid took to the senate floor this morning to, shall we say, let boehner have it. >> if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here
. >>> with little more than four days until the fiscal cliff, we now know that all the relevant parties will be in washington in three days. that's right. three days from now. on sunday evening before the redskins beat the cowboys. the house will finally reconvene. why? is it to finally strike a deal? honestly, no one knows. but one thing is certain. house speaker john boehner and his fellow republicans could no longer weather the incredibly bad optics of sitting at home while the...
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much about a fiscal cliff, per se. we should be talking about a bunny slope. describe what you think should happen. >> the fiscal cliff means we're taking $700 billion out of the economy because of the tax increases and spending cuts. if that happens our economy will hit rock bottom. we'll have zero growth over 2013. we will have, by the end of 2014, double digit unemployment. millions of americans will lose employment. so what you want to do is change the scale of that fiscal cliff to a gentle, let's say, bunny slope. we have a fragile economy, but it's accelerating and it's predicted as this year to grow. it grew at 2% to goh at 3% or more this coming year so you want this skier, so to speak to go down the slope and pick up speed so when you do come to the grand bargain that has $3 trillion of debt reduction. all they've got to do is shoulder 1 billion, changing the scale and put the rest of that in the following nine years and that's something that they'll come up with. >> where do they find it? there are various pl
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>> once we get through this fiscal cliff issue, the ground shifted on the right. i know of three groups on the right organizing to support reform. it makes it easier for the most talented people to live and work in america legally. one is american's choice. brad bailey in texas has a group called texas immigration solution. carlos gutierrez, a former secretary in congress for the bush administration started a group. this is going to be something where a year ago we saw republican presidential candidates using immigration as a wedge issue to separate conservatives. two or three years from now, they will be talking about how they value the contributions of naturalized americans. it's going to be a shift in the party. >> we know that 280 of the profit-making fortune 500 countries paid only 18.7% of taxes despite the fact their tax rate was 35%. we know that 26 states are going to continue to cut education spending, which requires them to pay and we know that at least 1.6 million children are going to lose beginning in the fall of 2013 if we don't do something. >> imp
>> once we get through this fiscal cliff issue, the ground shifted on the right. i know of three groups on the right organizing to support reform. it makes it easier for the most talented people to live and work in america legally. one is american's choice. brad bailey in texas has a group called texas immigration solution. carlos gutierrez, a former secretary in congress for the bush administration started a group. this is going to be something where a year ago we saw republican...
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cliff. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up-or-down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job and lays the ground work for more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> the president is optimistic that a deal can be reached midnight on new year's eve. listen to senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> we had a good meeting down at the white house. engaged in discussions in the hopes we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. >> and the senate is set to reconvene sunday at 1:00 eastern time. the house also expected to be in session on sunday. they'll start at 2:00 eastern time with the first votes coming at 6:30. let's head up to capitol hill. mike viqueira is there. so what? even if they reach a deal today or tomorrow? do we have time
cliff. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up-or-down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job and lays the ground work for more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> the president is optimistic that a deal can be reached midnight on new year's eve. listen to senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> we had a good meeting...
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but i think once we get over the fiscal cliff, i think that 2013 is going to be a big policy issue. and i think that the idealogical conflict within the republican party is they have no economic policy answers to the problems of the day, to the shrinking middle class. the tea party certainly doesn't have those things. i think you can't be a player right now and be hotel lly be rt of real party answers. >> and it makes it almost impossible for them to be a governing party in any way, particularly in the house of representatives. they are an oppositional party there. but it makes it impossible for john boehner to govern in any effective way to make any sort of negotiation with the president to avoid a fiscal cliff. and the larger issue is that the national populous as a whole wants to see congress get stuff done. they want the accomplishments. so it works for republicans in some statewide races, mostly not but it's not a national agenda. >> allow me to reintroduce myself as a tea party spokesperson. what they say is they are a governing party. you said they're not. they say they are a
but i think once we get over the fiscal cliff, i think that 2013 is going to be a big policy issue. and i think that the idealogical conflict within the republican party is they have no economic policy answers to the problems of the day, to the shrinking middle class. the tea party certainly doesn't have those things. i think you can't be a player right now and be hotel lly be rt of real party answers. >> and it makes it almost impossible for them to be a governing party in any way,...
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. >> as i was reading this morning, going off the fiscal cliff was a bungee jump. we go over and the markets collapse. it's amazing that's what we have to get to. >> here's what we know. washington only reacts when there is a crisis. jackie is right. the staff is working behind the scenes to get something done. there is no question about it, the president and congressional democrats have the upper hand and speaker baner is weakened by this. he only wants the plan b vote. he was only 20 votes short. those were folks that from an ideological standpoint are against raising any taxes whatsoever. it's less than a week and a half or so, a more mod ralt congress and they hope that the new folks that are coming into the congress will be a little bit more moderate and the process maybe will put something over the top. >> you have seen the stories about the death of the tea party and they don't have it as important as they did. >> they are very vocal. >> they are important when you have a system of government in the house where you have to pass things. the majority itself. t
. >> as i was reading this morning, going off the fiscal cliff was a bungee jump. we go over and the markets collapse. it's amazing that's what we have to get to. >> here's what we know. washington only reacts when there is a crisis. jackie is right. the staff is working behind the scenes to get something done. there is no question about it, the president and congressional democrats have the upper hand and speaker baner is weakened by this. he only wants the plan b vote. he was only...
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to avert the fiscal cliff in sight. the president is cutting his vacation short, but the house is still in recess with no immediate plans to return. the ball is now in senate democrat's court and
to avert the fiscal cliff in sight. the president is cutting his vacation short, but the house is still in recess with no immediate plans to return. the ball is now in senate democrat's court and
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all right, chuck. we'll talk about guns in a minute. let's talk about the fiscal cliff. are we going to get a deal here? >> we're going to get a small deal. it's a shame. you wonder is the only thing that could change things, the holidays, does it change boehner's mind? does it change the president's mind? i think the president is making a mistake to make a small deal. he should try one more time for the big deal. you had nearly 200 house republicans about to vote to raise taxes on millionaires. that means could you get it up from $400,000 to $750,000? a deal is within reach. he's got to figure out -- i think go one more time. they seem to have had it and they don't want to try boehner one more time but i think they're making a big mistake. is he? >> i think john boehner did the right thing. i was supportive of this plan 3w6. my frustration is with the democrats because the house republicans, our conscience is clear. in august we passed a bill to extend all of the tax rates. we did deal with the fiscal cliff issues. we have passed that. it's harry reid and the president
all right, chuck. we'll talk about guns in a minute. let's talk about the fiscal cliff. are we going to get a deal here? >> we're going to get a small deal. it's a shame. you wonder is the only thing that could change things, the holidays, does it change boehner's mind? does it change the president's mind? i think the president is making a mistake to make a small deal. he should try one more time for the big deal. you had nearly 200 house republicans about to vote to raise taxes on...
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a lot of investors think if we can just get over, get past the fiscal cliff, we're going to have a pretty good year in 2013. people are saying, you know, big companies are in good shape. we're just kind of waiting for this economy to pick up steam. the housing markets is now -- has now turned around. consumers have paid down debt. there are a lot of things that are sort of going the right way, except for one thing. we need washington to solve this problem. >> again, it's not going to be a big deal within the time that's gin left. what can americans expect come payday in the new year? the affect that's going to be in their paycheck for tax reasons. >> we all know if there's not -- sthe they could come up with a short-term deal that really just pushes the whole thing off. it says this deadline is -- we're going to change the deadline. they can do that. i mean, whether they're going to do that or not, nobody is quite sure, but it does sound like the door is open for congress to come back in. it may not hit on january 1st the way people think, but this whole thing could unravel, you know, and
a lot of investors think if we can just get over, get past the fiscal cliff, we're going to have a pretty good year in 2013. people are saying, you know, big companies are in good shape. we're just kind of waiting for this economy to pick up steam. the housing markets is now -- has now turned around. consumers have paid down debt. there are a lot of things that are sort of going the right way, except for one thing. we need washington to solve this problem. >> again, it's not going to be a...
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. >> so a top story today, one of the ledges of the fiscal cliff, those automatic spending cuts that almost certainly are going to kick in. we don't see that being part of some last-second deal. hit the defense department. but the pentagon's real problem is not those cuts, but the ones that are going to be coming over the next decade. we talked to military contractors, top officials at the pentagon. they see a long period of downward decline. that after the war in afghanistan, there's going to be a period of austerity. they're calling it -- they have a term around the pentagon, a very graphic self-amputation as they cut back over the years. and this was one of the reasons that president obama had, at the top of his short list, the former republican senator, still a republican, chuck hagel of nebraska. he's somebody who's talked about the pentagon as being bloated, had very specific ideas about how to cut it. but mike, sam, the table, we're hearing that that trial balloon has been popped. that senator hagel has a possibility for secretary of defense, has really lost a lot of altitude.
. >> so a top story today, one of the ledges of the fiscal cliff, those automatic spending cuts that almost certainly are going to kick in. we don't see that being part of some last-second deal. hit the defense department. but the pentagon's real problem is not those cuts, but the ones that are going to be coming over the next decade. we talked to military contractors, top officials at the pentagon. they see a long period of downward decline. that after the war in afghanistan, there's...
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four days left of fiscal cliff talks. wow. coming up we tall to chris val hollen about the state of the negotiations. "morning joe" will be right back. oh it's clearance time! yeah, our low prices are even lower. we need to teach her how to walk. she is taking up valuable cart space. aren't you, honey? [ male announcer ] it's clearance time! up to 50% off seasonal decor. 50% off toys. apparel $3 to $9. walmart. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got...